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new radio, VR-N7500 review


Mark Kanzler
 

Hey John, I run exactly the same way, only my radio is in the Tour Pac with velcro on the bottom so that it does not slide around.(does not work all that well though).  I see on the FB page for the N7500 that others are pairing the PTT to the phone.  Why? My Google Pixel3 is not glove friendly. Nor is my Tablet, so our way we can use the radio without them.

zippy

Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide


On Sunday, July 19, 2020, 02:20:54 PM PDT, John Kristian W6JMK <jmkristian@...> wrote:


I find the stock Bluetooth antenna inside the VR-N7500 works acceptably when the radio is mounted inside an aluminum box, behind the saddle of my motorcycle. I can control it with my Android phone. The VGC PTT button works well, strapped to the left hand grip. I can use the VGC speaker/mic or my Sena 50S headset, up to about 10 feet from the radio. Beyond that distance, the received audio is distorted in a digital way. The PTT, headset and speaker/mic are paired to the radio, so they all work with my phone powered off.
 
The box is Hammond model 1550WN. It has an EVA foam gasket between the box and lid. A mobile VHF/UHF antenna is attached to the box on an NMO mount. 12V power runs into the box through a plastic cable gland.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Mikko Sannala, AB6RF wrote:
My radio is inside a metal box, so I had to add the external BT antenna.


John Kristian W6JMK
 

I find the stock Bluetooth antenna inside the VR-N7500 works acceptably when the radio is mounted inside an aluminum box, behind the saddle of my motorcycle. I can control it with my Android phone. The VGC PTT button works well, strapped to the left hand grip. I can use the VGC speaker/mic or my Sena 50S headset, up to about 10 feet from the radio. Beyond that distance, the received audio is distorted in a digital way. The PTT, headset and speaker/mic are paired to the radio, so they all work with my phone powered off.
 
The box is Hammond model 1550WN. It has an EVA foam gasket between the box and lid. A mobile VHF/UHF antenna is attached to the box on an NMO mount. 12V power runs into the box through a plastic cable gland.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Mikko Sannala, AB6RF wrote:
My radio is inside a metal box, so I had to add the external BT antenna.


John Beckwith
 

What’s funny is - I had to do that with my old Mac Pro (the big tower).   In a distinct lack of planning on Apple’s part - the Bluetooth antenna was mounted at the bottom of the case - under the motherboard, under the power supply, under the hard drives, under the DVD drives.  Under everything but the bottom of the case.  (I suppose they might have thought it would catch on the carpet if they put it down there….. Very considerate….:-))

Good luck - let us know.

John, N6JCB
Westchester, CA
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On Jul 10, 2020, at 2:33 PM, John Kristian W6JMK <jmkristian@...> wrote:

I'm going to try a low profile, watertight Bluetooth antenna.


John Kristian W6JMK
 

I'm going to try a low profile, watertight Bluetooth antenna.


David KE6UPI
 

Hello James, 

I spared no expense on a quality case as I wanted reliable and safe storage for the radio. So I went to harbor freight and I bought the $29 case.

David

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 11:59 AM James Carter (KN4VZE) <tegatai@...> wrote:
Hey Dave,  I like the "quick install" configuration.  What is the make/model of the case you're using?


James Carter (KN4VZE)
 

Hey Dave,  I like the "quick install" configuration.  What is the make/model of the case you're using?


David KE6UPI
 

Here is my setup of the VR-N7500 for my R1200GSA '17. Easy to change the antenna. On/Off the bike is quick. I can put it in my wife's car.
 

Here is my AnyTone 878.



David KE6UPI
 

I'll do my best. I also ask Min G0JMS to help out. He is my connect to VERO.

David


David KE6UPI
 

The Google group is hosted by Min G0JMS. You can find him in the HT app. Network channel "C4FM P25 D-Star"

David


David KE6UPI
 

Hello to the group. Here is a sneak peak at the VR-N750. Not much info on it. It does use the HT app.

This info was posted on Facebook Vero page.
136-174 / 400-470 Mhz
4 Watts
GPS
IP68 waterproof
5200mAh battery
Bluetooth




John Kristian W6JMK
 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM, Mark Kanzler wrote:
There is a Facebook group (public) ...
There's also a Google group https://groups.google.com/g/veron7500


John Beckwith
 

Mikko,

Great job and great pix.    If you wouldn’t mind - put it all together in an article for next months newsletter.   I’ll also use that and post it on the website.

Good Stuff,

John, N6JCB
Westchester, CA
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http://www.johnbeckwith.net
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On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Mikko Sannala, AB6RF via groups.io <mikkops@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi John,

You have seen my setup from the "external view".
My radio is inside a metal box, so I had to add the external BT antenna.
The antenna itself is just a generic 2.4GHz stubbie with male SMA connector.

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I added an external SMA connector to the rig, and ran a mini coax to the point where the internal antenna connects to the BT module.

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The internal antenna is just a meandering copper trace etched directly to the front panel circuit board.
The circuit board itself doubles as the front panel, there is no separate metal or plastic front face, just a plastic sticker covering the PCB.

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(ballpoint pen for a size reference)

Yes, adding the external antenna connection requires cutting and soldering into the front panel PCB.

One more picture of the mess before if went into the enclosure.
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Mikko, AB6RF
 



Mikko Sannala, AB6RF
 
Edited

Hi John,

You have seen my setup from the "external view".
My radio is inside a metal box, so I had to add the external BT antenna.
The antenna itself is just a generic 2.4GHz stubbie with male SMA connector.

 

I added an external SMA connector to the rig, and ran a mini coax to the point where the internal antenna connects to the BT module.



The internal antenna is just a meandering copper trace etched directly to the front panel circuit board.
The circuit board itself doubles as the front panel, there is no separate metal or plastic front face, just a plastic sticker covering the PCB.


(ballpoint pen for a size reference)

Yes, adding the external antenna connection requires cutting and soldering into the front panel PCB.

One more picture of the mess before if went into the enclosure.


Mikko, AB6RF
 


John Kristian W6JMK
 

To add an external Bluetooth antenna, would I have to open up the radio, cut wires, solder etc.? I aim to install the radio inside a metal box, which I suppose would block the Bluetooth signal.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 05:33 PM, Mikko Sannala, AB6RF wrote:
I installed the VR-N7500 into a "toolbox" ... Because the box is all metal, and the rig relies on a reliable BT connection, I added an external BT antenna connector to the radio, and brought the BT antenna outside the metal box.


Mark Kanzler
 

Difficult to tune the radio underway. The screen on the cellphone has small buttons to push, and most phones are not glove friendly.
I am not sure about the hand mic and the headset connected at the same time, will check tonight and will post. My gut says NO.
The radio works without the cellphone paired. Keys for volume up and down, and you can change channels up or down within your region selected. This is also true with the BT hand mic/speaker

Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 12:24:59 PM PDT, Chris Hoffman <choffma@...> wrote:


Thanks for this great review, Mark.

A few follow-on questions:
- What has been your experience with tuning the radio while underway? 
- Is it possible for the hand mic and the headset to both be connected at the same time? 
- Will the radio continue to operate without the phone being joined to it at that moment?

/ch
N6QR

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Mark Kanzler via groups.io <ke6zrp_mark=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I bought the VERO N7500 dual band mobile radio and was testing in at my house first on my power supply as a base station, then moved it to my Harley in place of my Icom IC2730.  After a weeks worth of riding with it, I can honestly say it is perhaps the most simple radio to instal on a motorcycle. It really only needs to connections, power and the antenna. You do not have to run a cable to the front of the bike if you don't want to because there is no "head" to mount up there.  This radio is capable of using only your cell phone as the interface between you and the radio.  I use an Android phone, a Google Pixel3.  The Android phones have the most features to use with this radio.  Iphone will work, but is much more limited right now.  Maybe there will come a better app for Ios, but it does work with the existing app at the App Store.
I bought the radio, and the Bluetooth PTT button, and the Bluetooth speaker mic. And I am using the Sena 20S headset.  My Icom IC2730 has the bluetooth board added to it and works with the Sena20S very well.  The connection has been stable and seems to work every time turn them on. However, the audio reports have not always been great.  There seems to be a slight amount of distortion or delay with the Icom. So I unplugged the Icom and plugged in the N7500 to the existing power (Andersons and 12 ga wire directly to the battery) and the antenna, Comet SBB5 5/8 wave on my luggage rack using one of the MARC antenna mounts and a Diamond SO239 mount and thin cable leading to the radio. I paired my Sena to the radio no problem as the 2nd phone, and paired the PTT button no problem. The radio has good audio, plenty of volume to drive the Sena unit, and is clean with no static or ignition noise. My transmit audio is also very good, much clearer than using the Icom IC2730 from various reports by friends that have heard me from before. The reports have been the Sena sounds as good as the wired Mic that comes with the radio. My only problem is to remember to not speak too loudly when riding (a natural tendency).
Now for the really good part.  The programming is very easy, and your phone will run an app that has all the information for the radio.  Yes, you have to put in the TX and RX frequency, it does not do the offset for you.  But you can have several Regions or groups, with 16 channels in each region.  And all 16 are displayed on one screen, so you can easily pick the channel you want. They have made sense of the programming on this radio.  Power, squelch,mic gain, remote mic gain,and much more. Whats more, you can have several devices with the app on them and can use any of them to control this radio.  However, only one at a time, and you have to turn off the BT to change to the other device.  I did all the programming on my Sansung Galaxzy TAb 4 which is about 5 years old and used the keyboard to do the typing.  Very easy and BIG!!  The saved the programming to the radio.  When I later connected my phone tot he radio (paired), and went into the progamming , it allowed me to bring the same progamming in that was on my tablet, although I did have to re-name the Regions, as it just numbered them 1, 2, 3,etc.

And, you do not have to have a Sena or Cardo, or even a mic to use your radio.  Just use your phone.  Turn on the audio, and use the on screen PTT.  And the audio is very good, as good as the mic by my reports.

There is a Facebook group (public) that I have posted to, and go to almost daily, as new things are being published daily.  Great people that really help.  I made a couple of audio clips so you can hear the mic and the Sena quality.

VERO VR-N7500 groups.  Take a look, you will see videos, PDF's on set up, and how to use the APRS that is built into this radio!!  I am still learning that.

Thanks

zippy




Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide




Chris Hoffman - N6QR
 

Thanks for this great review, Mark.

A few follow-on questions:
- What has been your experience with tuning the radio while underway? 
- Is it possible for the hand mic and the headset to both be connected at the same time? 
- Will the radio continue to operate without the phone being joined to it at that moment?

/ch
N6QR

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Mark Kanzler via groups.io <ke6zrp_mark=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I bought the VERO N7500 dual band mobile radio and was testing in at my house first on my power supply as a base station, then moved it to my Harley in place of my Icom IC2730.  After a weeks worth of riding with it, I can honestly say it is perhaps the most simple radio to instal on a motorcycle. It really only needs to connections, power and the antenna. You do not have to run a cable to the front of the bike if you don't want to because there is no "head" to mount up there.  This radio is capable of using only your cell phone as the interface between you and the radio.  I use an Android phone, a Google Pixel3.  The Android phones have the most features to use with this radio.  Iphone will work, but is much more limited right now.  Maybe there will come a better app for Ios, but it does work with the existing app at the App Store.
I bought the radio, and the Bluetooth PTT button, and the Bluetooth speaker mic. And I am using the Sena 20S headset.  My Icom IC2730 has the bluetooth board added to it and works with the Sena20S very well.  The connection has been stable and seems to work every time turn them on. However, the audio reports have not always been great.  There seems to be a slight amount of distortion or delay with the Icom. So I unplugged the Icom and plugged in the N7500 to the existing power (Andersons and 12 ga wire directly to the battery) and the antenna, Comet SBB5 5/8 wave on my luggage rack using one of the MARC antenna mounts and a Diamond SO239 mount and thin cable leading to the radio. I paired my Sena to the radio no problem as the 2nd phone, and paired the PTT button no problem. The radio has good audio, plenty of volume to drive the Sena unit, and is clean with no static or ignition noise. My transmit audio is also very good, much clearer than using the Icom IC2730 from various reports by friends that have heard me from before. The reports have been the Sena sounds as good as the wired Mic that comes with the radio. My only problem is to remember to not speak too loudly when riding (a natural tendency).
Now for the really good part.  The programming is very easy, and your phone will run an app that has all the information for the radio.  Yes, you have to put in the TX and RX frequency, it does not do the offset for you.  But you can have several Regions or groups, with 16 channels in each region.  And all 16 are displayed on one screen, so you can easily pick the channel you want. They have made sense of the programming on this radio.  Power, squelch,mic gain, remote mic gain,and much more. Whats more, you can have several devices with the app on them and can use any of them to control this radio.  However, only one at a time, and you have to turn off the BT to change to the other device.  I did all the programming on my Sansung Galaxzy TAb 4 which is about 5 years old and used the keyboard to do the typing.  Very easy and BIG!!  The saved the programming to the radio.  When I later connected my phone tot he radio (paired), and went into the progamming , it allowed me to bring the same progamming in that was on my tablet, although I did have to re-name the Regions, as it just numbered them 1, 2, 3,etc.

And, you do not have to have a Sena or Cardo, or even a mic to use your radio.  Just use your phone.  Turn on the audio, and use the on screen PTT.  And the audio is very good, as good as the mic by my reports.

There is a Facebook group (public) that I have posted to, and go to almost daily, as new things are being published daily.  Great people that really help.  I made a couple of audio clips so you can hear the mic and the Sena quality.

VERO VR-N7500 groups.  Take a look, you will see videos, PDF's on set up, and how to use the APRS that is built into this radio!!  I am still learning that.

Thanks

zippy




Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide




Mark Kanzler
 

I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I bought the VERO N7500 dual band mobile radio and was testing in at my house first on my power supply as a base station, then moved it to my Harley in place of my Icom IC2730. After a weeks worth of riding with it, I can honestly say it is perhaps the most simple radio to instal on a motorcycle. It really only needs to connections, power and the antenna. You do not have to run a cable to the front of the bike if you don't want to because there is no "head" to mount up there. This radio is capable of using only your cell phone as the interface between you and the radio. I use an Android phone, a Google Pixel3. The Android phones have the most features to use with this radio. Iphone will work, but is much more limited right now. Maybe there will come a better app for Ios, but it does work with the existing app at the App Store.
I bought the radio, and the Bluetooth PTT button, and the Bluetooth speaker mic. And I am using the Sena 20S headset. My Icom IC2730 has the bluetooth board added to it and works with the Sena20S very well. The connection has been stable and seems to work every time turn them on. However, the audio reports have not always been great. There seems to be a slight amount of distortion or delay with the Icom. So I unplugged the Icom and plugged in the N7500 to the existing power (Andersons and 12 ga wire directly to the battery) and the antenna, Comet SBB5 5/8 wave on my luggage rack using one of the MARC antenna mounts and a Diamond SO239 mount and thin cable leading to the radio. I paired my Sena to the radio no problem as the 2nd phone, and paired the PTT button no problem. The radio has good audio, plenty of volume to drive the Sena unit, and is clean with no static or ignition noise. My transmit audio is also very good, much clearer than using the Icom IC2730 from various reports by friends that have heard me from before. The reports have been the Sena sounds as good as the wired Mic that comes with the radio. My only problem is to remember to not speak too loudly when riding (a natural tendency).
Now for the really good part. The programming is very easy, and your phone will run an app that has all the information for the radio. Yes, you have to put in the TX and RX frequency, it does not do the offset for you. But you can have several Regions or groups, with 16 channels in each region. And all 16 are displayed on one screen, so you can easily pick the channel you want. They have made sense of the programming on this radio. Power, squelch,mic gain, remote mic gain,and much more. Whats more, you can have several devices with the app on them and can use any of them to control this radio. However, only one at a time, and you have to turn off the BT to change to the other device. I did all the programming on my Sansung Galaxzy TAb 4 which is about 5 years old and used the keyboard to do the typing. Very easy and BIG!! The saved the programming to the radio. When I later connected my phone tot he radio (paired), and went into the progamming , it allowed me to bring the same progamming in that was on my tablet, although I did have to re-name the Regions, as it just numbered them 1, 2, 3,etc.

And, you do not have to have a Sena or Cardo, or even a mic to use your radio. Just use your phone. Turn on the audio, and use the on screen PTT. And the audio is very good, as good as the mic by my reports.

There is a Facebook group (public) that I have posted to, and go to almost daily, as new things are being published daily. Great people that really help. I made a couple of audio clips so you can hear the mic and the Sena quality.

VERO VR-N7500 groups. Take a look, you will see videos, PDF's on set up, and how to use the APRS that is built into this radio!! I am still learning that.

Thanks

zippy




Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide