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Re: Sena BT Headset - With Yaesu and Intercom

John Beckwith
 

Norm,

I also have BT capable Hearing aids (Oticon) but they don’t pair with just anything.  In my case - they pair with cell phones because cell phones are designed to pair with hearing aids.  They also pair with a couple of Oticon specific devices - one that plugs into my TV audio output (Nice!) and a small multi-function device.   This device has a clip and can be worn as a remote mic (like my wife across the room).   However it can pair with other devices and act as a go-between.   In my case I paired it with my Yaesu FT2DR (through another BT adapter).   So I can talk through my FT2 and get the audio directly in my hearing aids.   This device then also acts as my Mic back to the radio.

In describing all this, I realized I could probably pair this device with my FTM-350 and do the same thing - but my experience has been that, ultimately, in my helmet, with all the outside noise, I still wouldn’t be able to hear that well.   What I do with my Sena is use a Bose Noise Cancelling headset plugged into the Sena (and no hearing aids).  With that I can hear the audio very well.

As for using BT with ham radios on motorcycles - there are still only a few radios with BT capability.   In the case of Yaesu - it’s BT is more Yaesu specific - not exactly standard protocol.   It works with my 350 - and with the FTM-10 (Lu Vencl has a lot of experience with the 10).  But not perfectly or 100% reliable.  Mark Kanzler is also using a different radio with BT - a couple of folks have discussed that radio (which I’m drawing a blank on right now.)

In any case - good luck....

John, N6JCB
jbeckwit47@...

On Jan 15, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Norm Huber <nih.n9zks@...> wrote:


Great Information. I'm interested in the in the path to BT integration. 
One of the things I have going right now is my hearing aids which are BT enabled. They work with my phone and  BT Transmitters. They do have the same problems of "one at a time pairing". Glad MARC is continuing to be a reservoir of good data. It will save a lot of angst and money.

Norm N9ZKS
Central Illinois

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:02 PM John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:
Greetings,

A few of us have been using our Sena BT headsets with our Yaesu radios with good success.  However, there have been some limits.   The Sena considers the radio a (Cell) “Phone”.   As such it treats the BT connection a little differently than it does the Intercom.

Basically - the problem has been - when connected to the radio - we haven’t been able to use the Sena for anything else - in particular the intercom.  Since we have a small group going on a “socially distant” (and safe) ride this weekend - and most, but not all, of us have Sena units.   However 3 riders have radios and 2 of those have Sena.   So, the challenge was to figure out if there’s a way to use both - radio and intercom.   After some testing I succeeded - to a degree - to get both to work - if not simultaneously.

Basically it means (with a clean reset) - pair the intercom first, then pair the radio (as 2nd phone).   Then I can toggle back and forth - sorta.   When listening to the radio - and intercom “request” comes in.   I acknowledge that request and am now on intercom - but no radio.  Once I'm done with intercom - I have to key the Tx on the radio - then I’m back in listen mode.   I can’t hear the radio while intercom is active.

I found this to work with both the 20S EVO and 10C EVO - but not reliably with the 50S.  (I’ll test the latter next week after this ride.)

If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll send you the step-by-step instructions.

Let me know if you have any questions.
Re: Sena BT Headset - With Yaesu and Intercom

Norm Huber
 

Great Information. I'm interested in the in the path to BT integration. 
One of the things I have going right now is my hearing aids which are BT enabled. They work with my phone and  BT Transmitters. They do have the same problems of "one at a time pairing". Glad MARC is continuing to be a reservoir of good data. It will save a lot of angst and money.

Norm N9ZKS
Central Illinois

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:02 PM John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:
Greetings,

A few of us have been using our Sena BT headsets with our Yaesu radios with good success.  However, there have been some limits.   The Sena considers the radio a (Cell) “Phone”.   As such it treats the BT connection a little differently than it does the Intercom.

Basically - the problem has been - when connected to the radio - we haven’t been able to use the Sena for anything else - in particular the intercom.  Since we have a small group going on a “socially distant” (and safe) ride this weekend - and most, but not all, of us have Sena units.   However 3 riders have radios and 2 of those have Sena.   So, the challenge was to figure out if there’s a way to use both - radio and intercom.   After some testing I succeeded - to a degree - to get both to work - if not simultaneously.

Basically it means (with a clean reset) - pair the intercom first, then pair the radio (as 2nd phone).   Then I can toggle back and forth - sorta.   When listening to the radio - and intercom “request” comes in.   I acknowledge that request and am now on intercom - but no radio.  Once I'm done with intercom - I have to key the Tx on the radio - then I’m back in listen mode.   I can’t hear the radio while intercom is active.

I found this to work with both the 20S EVO and 10C EVO - but not reliably with the 50S.  (I’ll test the latter next week after this ride.)

If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll send you the step-by-step instructions.

Let me know if you have any questions.
Re: Sena BT Headset - With Yaesu and Intercom

John Beckwith
 

A “B radio”???   And what is a “Freewire”?

I’ll report back after this weekend’s ride.

Thanks,

John
jbeckwit47@...
https://john-beckwith.smugmug.com


On Jan 15, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Jeff Gallagher <ocpd44@...> wrote:

Interesting. I recently had my Sena 20s stolen (along with my helmet) and replaced it with a 10s. With the 20s, I used a Freewire to interface to the radio on the bike. I was able to use both the freewire and the intercom to Julie at the same time, although she could not hear the radio. Now, with the 10s, I have successfully paired the freewire and it seems to work fine. But I have not had the chance to try it at the same time as the intercom with Julie's 20s. Hopefully, we can get out this weekend and test it. John, let us know how things work out. I am eventually going to upgrade my bike radio and it will, naturally, be a B radio.

Regards,

Jeff "Hollywood" Gallagher WB6ALR

 "Someone once said that politics is the second-oldest profession. I'm beginning to think it bears a striking resemblance to the first."- Ronald Reagan


On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:02 PM John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:
Greetings,

A few of us have been using our Sena BT headsets with our Yaesu radios with good success.  However, there have been some limits.   The Sena considers the radio a (Cell) “Phone”.   As such it treats the BT connection a little differently than it does the Intercom.

Basically - the problem has been - when connected to the radio - we haven’t been able to use the Sena for anything else - in particular the intercom.  Since we have a small group going on a “socially distant” (and safe) ride this weekend - and most, but not all, of us have Sena units.   However 3 riders have radios and 2 of those have Sena.   So, the challenge was to figure out if there’s a way to use both - radio and intercom.   After some testing I succeeded - to a degree - to get both to work - if not simultaneously.

Basically it means (with a clean reset) - pair the intercom first, then pair the radio (as 2nd phone).   Then I can toggle back and forth - sorta.   When listening to the radio - and intercom “request” comes in.   I acknowledge that request and am now on intercom - but no radio.  Once I'm done with intercom - I have to key the Tx on the radio - then I’m back in listen mode.   I can’t hear the radio while intercom is active.

I found this to work with both the 20S EVO and 10C EVO - but not reliably with the 50S.  (I’ll test the latter next week after this ride.)

If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll send you the step-by-step instructions.

Let me know if you have any questions.




--
Jeff KB6SUP
Tustin , CA

Re: Sena BT Headset - With Yaesu and Intercom

Jeff Gallagher
 

Interesting. I recently had my Sena 20s stolen (along with my helmet) and replaced it with a 10s. With the 20s, I used a Freewire to interface to the radio on the bike. I was able to use both the freewire and the intercom to Julie at the same time, although she could not hear the radio. Now, with the 10s, I have successfully paired the freewire and it seems to work fine. But I have not had the chance to try it at the same time as the intercom with Julie's 20s. Hopefully, we can get out this weekend and test it. John, let us know how things work out. I am eventually going to upgrade my bike radio and it will, naturally, be a B radio.

Regards,

Jeff "Hollywood" Gallagher WB6ALR

 "Someone once said that politics is the second-oldest profession. I'm beginning to think it bears a striking resemblance to the first."- Ronald Reagan


On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:02 PM John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:
Greetings,

A few of us have been using our Sena BT headsets with our Yaesu radios with good success.  However, there have been some limits.   The Sena considers the radio a (Cell) “Phone”.   As such it treats the BT connection a little differently than it does the Intercom.

Basically - the problem has been - when connected to the radio - we haven’t been able to use the Sena for anything else - in particular the intercom.  Since we have a small group going on a “socially distant” (and safe) ride this weekend - and most, but not all, of us have Sena units.   However 3 riders have radios and 2 of those have Sena.   So, the challenge was to figure out if there’s a way to use both - radio and intercom.   After some testing I succeeded - to a degree - to get both to work - if not simultaneously.

Basically it means (with a clean reset) - pair the intercom first, then pair the radio (as 2nd phone).   Then I can toggle back and forth - sorta.   When listening to the radio - and intercom “request” comes in.   I acknowledge that request and am now on intercom - but no radio.  Once I'm done with intercom - I have to key the Tx on the radio - then I’m back in listen mode.   I can’t hear the radio while intercom is active.

I found this to work with both the 20S EVO and 10C EVO - but not reliably with the 50S.  (I’ll test the latter next week after this ride.)

If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll send you the step-by-step instructions.

Let me know if you have any questions.


--
Jeff KB6SUP
Tustin , CA
Sena BT Headset - With Yaesu and Intercom

John Beckwith
 

Greetings,

A few of us have been using our Sena BT headsets with our Yaesu radios with good success.  However, there have been some limits.   The Sena considers the radio a (Cell) “Phone”.   As such it treats the BT connection a little differently than it does the Intercom.

Basically - the problem has been - when connected to the radio - we haven’t been able to use the Sena for anything else - in particular the intercom.  Since we have a small group going on a “socially distant” (and safe) ride this weekend - and most, but not all, of us have Sena units.   However 3 riders have radios and 2 of those have Sena.   So, the challenge was to figure out if there’s a way to use both - radio and intercom.   After some testing I succeeded - to a degree - to get both to work - if not simultaneously.

Basically it means (with a clean reset) - pair the intercom first, then pair the radio (as 2nd phone).   Then I can toggle back and forth - sorta.   When listening to the radio - and intercom “request” comes in.   I acknowledge that request and am now on intercom - but no radio.  Once I'm done with intercom - I have to key the Tx on the radio - then I’m back in listen mode.   I can’t hear the radio while intercom is active.

I found this to work with both the 20S EVO and 10C EVO - but not reliably with the 50S.  (I’ll test the latter next week after this ride.)

If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll send you the step-by-step instructions.

Let me know if you have any questions.

John, N6JCB
Westchester, CA
jbeckwit47@...
http://www.johnbeckwith.net
https://john-beckwith.smugmug.com
Re: Ride on 1/16? - Change to 1/17

John Beckwith
 

Will do - Need to extract from the larger GPX file.

Right now - looks like 5 (and maybe Vickie on the back.)   John, Mark, Chris, Max and ZOZ

John,, N6JCB
jbeckwit47@...
https://john-beckwith.smugmug.com


On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Mark Kanzler via groups.io <ke6zrp_mark@...> wrote:

Please send me the routes...Thanks



zipy

Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide


On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 12:03:13 PM PST, John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:


An update - date changed to Sunday 1/17.  To meet at 9:00 near LAX.  Details to follow. 

I'm looking at two routes - one on only the Santa Monica Mountains - about 3 hours round trip (from my house) - the other up to Ojai and back through the mountains (hills actually) - about 4.5-5 hours.

Let me know if you're interested and I can send the .GPX files for both routes.

John, N6JCB

PS - It's only about 30 miles from Glendale to my house - for those living in Glendale....;-)
Re: Ride on 1/16? - Change to 1/17

Mark Kanzler
 

Please send me the routes...Thanks



zipy

Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide


On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 12:03:13 PM PST, John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:


An update - date changed to Sunday 1/17.  To meet at 9:00 near LAX.  Details to follow. 

I'm looking at two routes - one on only the Santa Monica Mountains - about 3 hours round trip (from my house) - the other up to Ojai and back through the mountains (hills actually) - about 4.5-5 hours.

Let me know if you're interested and I can send the .GPX files for both routes.

John, N6JCB

PS - It's only about 30 miles from Glendale to my house - for those living in Glendale....;-)
Covid Vaccine Fact Sheets

John Beckwith
 

Greetings,

In case anyone is interested, my wife has given me two fact sheets (essentially the same) from the two approved providers of the vaccines being distributed in the US.  Both are published (or at least signed) by the manufacturers - but approved by CDC.

My wife is a long time school nurse and is putting on full day workshops on the Covid virus and related topics to school nurses all over the country.  So she stays very up-to-date with the latest goings on with this thing in order to provide current info in her workshops.  (Nice to have an in-house expert….:-)

If anyone is interested, e-mail me offline and I’ll be happy to send them a long.

And, FYI, since she also works in UCLA Healthcare, she has already received her first shot with the Pfizer vaccine.   Her only reaction was soreness for a day or so in the shoulder where the shot was administered.  As always, your mileage may vary.

Let’s all be safe out there - especially now that there’s a light at the end of the tunnel,

John, N6JCB

Thanks,

John
jbeckwit47@...
https://john-beckwith.smugmug.com
Re: Ride on 1/16? - Change to 1/17

JOHN EDWARDS
 

Either route is good for me.

John E. 

On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 12:03:13 PM PST, John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...> wrote:


An update - date changed to Sunday 1/17.  To meet at 9:00 near LAX.  Details to follow. 

I'm looking at two routes - one on only the Santa Monica Mountains - about 3 hours round trip (from my house) - the other up to Ojai and back through the mountains (hills actually) - about 4.5-5 hours.

Let me know if you're interested and I can send the .GPX files for both routes.

John, N6JCB

PS - It's only about 30 miles from Glendale to my house - for those living in Glendale....;-)
Re: Ride on 1/16? - Change to 1/17

JAMES BANKS
 

Sorry I am going out of town that day. Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: John Beckwith <jbeckwit47@...>
To: main@marchq.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: [marchq] Ride on 1/16? - Change to 1/17

An update - date changed to Sunday 1/17.  To meet at 9:00 near LAX.  Details to follow. 

I'm looking at two routes - one on only the Santa Monica Mountains - about 3 hours round trip (from my house) - the other up to Ojai and back through the mountains (hills actually) - about 4.5-5 hours.

Let me know if you're interested and I can send the .GPX files for both routes.

John, N6JCB

PS - It's only about 30 miles from Glendale to my house - for those living in Glendale....;-)
Re: Ride on 1/16? - Change to 1/17

John Beckwith
 

An update - date changed to Sunday 1/17.  To meet at 9:00 near LAX.  Details to follow. 

I'm looking at two routes - one on only the Santa Monica Mountains - about 3 hours round trip (from my house) - the other up to Ojai and back through the mountains (hills actually) - about 4.5-5 hours.

Let me know if you're interested and I can send the .GPX files for both routes.

John, N6JCB

PS - It's only about 30 miles from Glendale to my house - for those living in Glendale....;-)
Re: MARC meeting invite

JOHN EDWARDS
 

Here is the Info there is a net now.








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Mark Kanzler, Ham on a Hog KE6ZRP , 2016 Harley Davidson Electra Glide
Re: Meeting?

John Reynolds
 

I read both of you.  I don't do the group meeting face/face thing, that is Mark and John B.  I don't know what the story is.  Sorry,,



John F. Reynolds, MSGT USAF Ret. Rialto, CA

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From: "JAMES BANKS via groups.io"
To: "main@marchq groups. io"
Cc:
Sent: Saturday January 9 2021 7:18:32AM
Subject: Re: [marchq] Meeting?

Thanks Ginger this is the second Saturday of the month. Jim



On January 9, 2021, at 7:14 AM, "Ginger White via groups.io" <kre8vme@...> wrote:


Jim Banks, I watched my emails until midnight, and never saw a response from our leaders.

Ginger
KM6MIG
Re: Meeting?

Ginger White
 

Yeppers, I double checked my calendar last night to make sure I would be available this morning. ;((

Ginger
Re: Meeting?

JAMES BANKS
 

Thanks Ginger this is the second Saturday of the month. Jim



On January 9, 2021, at 7:14 AM, "Ginger White via groups.io" <kre8vme@...> wrote:


Jim Banks, I watched my emails until midnight, and never saw a response from our leaders.

Ginger
KM6MIG
Re: Meeting?

Ginger White
 

Jim Banks, I watched my emails until midnight, and never saw a response from our leaders.

Ginger
KM6MIG
Meeting?

JAMES BANKS
 

Are we having a meeting  tomorrow ?  Jim
Re: Ride on 1/16?

John Reynolds
 

Love  to go but,I consider that it is much colder up there than down here in the valley.



John F. Reynolds, MSGT USAF Ret. Rialto, CA

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From: "John Beckwith"
To: "MARC"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday January 7 2021 9:59:41PM
Subject: [marchq] Ride on 1/16?

Greetings,

Thinking about putting together a “socially distant” ride on Saturday 1/16 through the Santa Monica Mountains.   

Anyone interested?

John, N6JCB
jbeckwit47@...
Re: Ride on 1/16?

Timothy Lindstrom
 

I am!... heheheheh...  I haven't ridden since December 22... rode over 500 miles between Thanksgiving and Christmas.. amazing and weird winter in Minnesota. Average temperatures for this week is 24 degrees.. low is around 0... Not this year.. We are hovering in the lower 30's.. however the Sun angle is so low that the snow doesn't melt.   
 
Enjoy the ride people!  The lakes are covered with ice... but due to nothing below zero for temps .. the Warning is Not to drive your truck out on the ice.. some do... and fish the truck out of the lake for $$$ 
 
 
100,000 BMW Prayer Miles by Timothy Lindstrom, www.smashwords.com 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "John Beckwith" <jbeckwit47@...>
To: MARC <marchq@groups.io>
Subject: [marchq] Ride on 1/16?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:59:37 -0800

Greetings,

 
Thinking about putting together a “socially distant” ride on Saturday 1/16 through the Santa Monica Mountains.   
 
Anyone interested?

John, N6JCB
jbeckwit47@...
Re: TPMS testing and repairs on GL1800’s

Lu Vencl
 

Here is a short video I put together that shows a way I devised allowing me to test a sensor under 51 psi which is required on ver 1 sensors. Much better than having to mount on a tire to only find out it is not working. I used a VX6

On Jan 4, 2021, at 5:16 PM, John Reynolds <Johnw5jfr@...> wrote:



Thanks for doing the research on this and sharing the information.  Just hope I can remember it when needed.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lu Vencl
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 12:09 PM
To: main@marchq.groups.io
Subject: [marchq] TPMS testing and repairs on GL1800’s

 

I don’t know how many members here ride a GL 1800 W. TPMS, but I have two of them and both of them currently have issues. Both of them are 2010 and one is in Colorado and the other one is in Florida. The Colorado bike I’m sure has depleted batteries since the bike is now 11 years old. I have successfully repaired both sensor on my Florida bike last year by simply replacing the CR2032 battery inside the sensor. If you’re lucky enough to have an older version that has not been epoxied, then you can perform this procedure. It’s really not that difficult it will save you about $200 a wheel. Furthermore, I have found a really nice way to troubleshoot these by the use of a Yaseu VX6 or 5 since they have the ability to receive at 315 MHz amplitude modulated. If you have one of these bikes and you have that radio, or something similar, you’ll find it very handy to troubleshoot your sensors. In troubleshooting I mean determining whether they’re actually transmitting or not. Sometimes it’s hard to decipher which tire is in trouble. I know the service manual talks about decoding the failures but you have to be careful because sometimes at least in my case, somebody program the sensors in reverse order and therefore I was misinformed of which wheel was in trouble. 

On a further note, on my FTM 10 our radio which also receive 315 MHz, I find it very interesting because while  riding the motorcycle, not only do I hear my sensors but I’m hearing other peoples sensors as they are driving by me. It’s fascinating.

Anyway if any of you are having trouble with your sensors, feel free to reach me directly for additional guidance. I’ll be glad to answer any questions.

By the way, the activation tool frequency operates at 125 kHz in case you were curious.
Lu VencL, KA4EPS

 
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